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« on: April 11, 2013, 05:46:28 AM »

Dear RubyT,

I'm glad you came to join us.  You will find that we are at different points in our faith journey, and look at things differently at times, but we are always respectful and supportive of each other, and try to understand each others' points of view.  So that's really about the only rule, is that we treat each other with kindness and respect.  We go through ups and down together and cheer each other on when we see progress.

That said, as you can tell my the recent posts, it's been pretty quiet.  I'm actually trying to figure out what sort of topics to discuss or features to offer.  I would like this to be more than just an alternative to FB or CAF, but somewhere we can grow seriously in our own faith lives, encouraging each other even while at different points in it, and find healing and spiritual growth.  Most of us are Catholic, but I for one like to pull in lessons and ideas from other religions as well.  Others like to keep to more orthodox discussions.  But like I say it's been pretty quiet so I don't know which way future discussions will take us.

Since your interested in hearing more about the kingdom, Richard Rohr addressed this on Dec 24, 2010 and again on Dec 14, 2012 in his daily emails.  Here is the 2012 one: http://forums.wordsfree.org/index.php/topic,2593.msg39646.html#msg39646.  Also, I have a number of mental exercises I made up to help bring about and reinforce my own "kingdom thinking" such as how to look at ownership of worldly goods, privacy and boundaries among kingdom v non-kingdom people, and things to think about other cars while driving.  I don't know that I've actually posted them here on WF.  I'll let Rohr's post serve as sufficient intro for now.  Smiley

Again, welcome to our little niche.  I hope you'll find it hospitable.  Cool

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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2013, 04:23:32 PM »

Welcome RubyT! May we be blessed by your presence and you by ours   Grin

Alan, I would love to read your thoughts on kingdom thinking and your mental exercises at some point, btw Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2013, 06:43:37 PM »

Welcome RubyT  Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2013, 03:59:52 PM »

Hello everyone. Thank you for the kind welcome. I just spent a half hour typing a very nice message to you and then it all disappeared. Right now I am just so frustrated.  Angry I have no idea where my message went or how it disappeared. ugggg
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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2013, 05:27:14 PM »

Hello everyone. Thank you for the kind welcome. I just spent a half hour typing a very nice message to you and then it all disappeared. Right now I am just so frustrated.  Angry I have no idea where my message went or how it disappeared. ugggg

I hate it when that happens.  Sad

In case you're looking for ideas, just before I post I usually do Ctrl-A and Ctrl-C to copy the post to buffer, in case of attack by digital demons.  Sometimes the browser back button works, sometimes not but at least you can start a new reply and paste it in then Ctrl-V.  I do that on CAF all the time because sometimes is screws me over because it logs me out while I'm composing, and sometimes lose it when I try to post and log back in.

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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2013, 05:57:16 PM »

Alan, I would love to read your thoughts on kingdom thinking and your mental exercises at some point, btw Smiley

I'll give it a shot.  Usually when I try to describe these things in writing they seem silly and so I end up not posting them.

One thing I do is try to think of the world without segmenting it into who owns what.  Instead of thinking that I own my car and the neighbor owns his, for example, I look at both cars as either mine, or nobody's, or at least there is no material difference between the two.  The difference is that I am "issued" this car to be able to get around the castle grounds (Wichita) while I respect the neighbor is the driver of that car.  So I can imagine I own everything, but that I respect others' privacy and their "imagined" property rights.  Maybe that sounds really goofy, but I'm not sure I've explained it well.  Surely I'll start a thread soon on it if I can think of better explanations.  It's funny trying to put into words things I think but not as a verbal construct.

Same way with my property, and with the things at the store.  I respect my neighbor's "property rights" which as far as the neighbors know are real (but of course I know better -- it is all gift from God) and they leave mine alone.  When I go to the store, I'm just amazed that I can walk into a huge treasure trove and bring home the things I need and want, and all I have to do is give them some pieces of paper, or show them a piece of plastic which goes into their computer, and they let me just walk out with the stuff and bring it home!  How cool is that?  I don't have to wash dishes or make arrangements in advance or even open boxes; it's just all on the shelves for me to choose from!!  There was actually something kind of like this in a movie Julie and I saw recently, "The Host" where alien beings took over the minds of the humans and they just walked out of stores with stuff and didn't have to pay, because they were all basically socialist and nobody would cheat anybody else.

Another thing is in driving.  Instead of thinking of how this guy cut me off, or cause me three seconds of delay or have to slow down 2 mph, I think about any number of things.  First of all, how it's amazing that people have conspired for years to build this road, JUST so that I could drive my moving-box on it and get around the kingdom grounds.  Or maybe I'll think, "oh that guy's hurrying up so he can get his restaurant open in time to serve me lunch in a while."  Or maybe, "yesss... that guy wanted to get around me, and he succeeded!"  Why not feel good for him, rather than miserable for myself?  The time it's mostly challenging is when I'm late for something -- then grrr I have to watch it or I turn into a frustration factory, although I have gotten much better over the last couple months.  I can drive like maniac or drive calmly and safely, and it makes like 1-2 minutes difference in when I get to school to pick up the kids.  Cost/benefit analysis says it just isn't worth all the aggravation for the savings in time.  My head says that; emotional retraining still in progress. Wink

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Instead of thinking of how this guy cut me off, or cause me three seconds of delay or have to slow down 2 mph, I think about any number of things.

Emotional retraining, YES which leads to a change of attitude by changing my perspective? In a sense I too have made "changes in my thinking". Rather than thinking what went into building this road I think......what a blessing the road...how smooth it is or conversely how fun the bumps can be.

Oh that guy, he is in a hurry...one can think to oneself how inpatient of him (judge him) OR one can think to oneself...he must have a good reason for being in a hurry....perhaps his wife and kids are needing him.

The point is, I try to see it from a positive benefit of the doubt perspective rather than an emotional "I am judge and jury" perspective, remove the connection of how does this relate to me and replace it with how does this relate to God. Such attitude brings more compassion, empathy and understanding...and causes me to think as Jesus would think.

I began trying to change my thought process about a year ago...Something inside just clicked.....as a result of things which have happened to me(more on my testimony later). Now don't get me wrong, I have to mentally and with focused purpose make myself think this way but the more I do it the more it becomes a natural way of thinking. If the culture of this world is unacceptable ...reject the culture.

Forgive me for inappropriately setting up the quote from Alan in green above. I am still trying to figure out the technical portion of this site...no doubt I will be proficient in a few days Roll Eyes If you believe that I have a bridge for sale in Arizona.  Wink
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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2013, 08:18:45 PM »

Hey I posted something....miracles will never cease...Praise Jesus!!!  Kiss
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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2013, 09:07:52 PM »

Forgive me for inappropriately setting up the quote from Alan in green above. I am still trying to figure out the technical portion of this site...no doubt I will be proficient in a few days Roll Eyes If you believe that I have a bridge for sale in Arizona.  Wink

No problem.  We often quote like that over here.   Smiley  You can click "quote" instead of "reply" and it works pretty much like CAF, except here by default we allow "nested" quotes.  Like if you quote somebody who has quoted somebody else, the one quote appears inside the other one.  (Of course you can edit it out.)

Thanks for your post.  I really like what you are saying about dealing with the way the world is.  If you started thinking about this on your own, then maybe you and I have had some similar experiences.  Mine were actually pretty "stormy" by most standards, but the resultant peace, joy, and serenity were worth it!

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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2013, 12:18:59 PM »

Alan, I would love to read your thoughts on kingdom thinking and your mental exercises at some point, btw Smiley

I'll give it a shot.  Usually when I try to describe these things in writing they seem silly and so I end up not posting them.

One thing I do is try to think of the world without segmenting it into who owns what.  Instead of thinking that I own my car and the neighbor owns his, for example, I look at both cars as either mine, or nobody's, or at least there is no material difference between the two.  The difference is that I am "issued" this car to be able to get around the castle grounds (Wichita) while I respect the neighbor is the driver of that car.  So I can imagine I own everything, but that I respect others' privacy and their "imagined" property rights.  Maybe that sounds really goofy, but I'm not sure I've explained it well.  Surely I'll start a thread soon on it if I can think of better explanations.  It's funny trying to put into words things I think but not as a verbal construct.

Same way with my property, and with the things at the store.  I respect my neighbor's "property rights" which as far as the neighbors know are real (but of course I know better -- it is all gift from God) and they leave mine alone.  When I go to the store, I'm just amazed that I can walk into a huge treasure trove and bring home the things I need and want, and all I have to do is give them some pieces of paper, or show them a piece of plastic which goes into their computer, and they let me just walk out with the stuff and bring it home!  How cool is that?  I don't have to wash dishes or make arrangements in advance or even open boxes; it's just all on the shelves for me to choose from!!  There was actually something kind of like this in a movie Julie and I saw recently, "The Host" where alien beings took over the minds of the humans and they just walked out of stores with stuff and didn't have to pay, because they were all basically socialist and nobody would cheat anybody else.

Thanks for taking the time to explain Alan. It's not silly at all, what you're saying. I do fear though that I am still too immature at this stage to fully understand this concept and take it on board  Embarrassed

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Another thing is in driving.  Instead of thinking of how this guy cut me off, or cause me three seconds of delay or have to slow down 2 mph, I think about any number of things.  First of all, how it's amazing that people have conspired for years to build this road, JUST so that I could drive my moving-box on it and get around the kingdom grounds.  Or maybe I'll think, "oh that guy's hurrying up so he can get his restaurant open in time to serve me lunch in a while."  Or maybe, "yesss... that guy wanted to get around me, and he succeeded!"  Why not feel good for him, rather than miserable for myself?  The time it's mostly challenging is when I'm late for something -- then grrr I have to watch it or I turn into a frustration factory, although I have gotten much better over the last couple months.  I can drive like maniac or drive calmly and safely, and it makes like 1-2 minutes difference in when I get to school to pick up the kids.  Cost/benefit analysis says it just isn't worth all the aggravation for the savings in time.  My head says that; emotional retraining still in progress. Wink

Alan

Ah! Now THIS is something more attainable for me, I think. Sometimes I do take time to marvel at the wonder that is the developed society we find ourselves fortunate enough to live in Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2013, 01:19:03 PM »

Ah! Now THIS is something more attainable for me, I think. Sometimes I do take time to marvel at the wonder that is the developed society we find ourselves fortunate enough to live in Smiley

It's mind-boggling, isn't it?  I'm an engineer so I have some insight into how things are designed to do what they do, and that just makes it all the more amazing to me.

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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2013, 03:04:39 PM »

Ah! Now THIS is something more attainable for me, I think. Sometimes I do take time to marvel at the wonder that is the developed society we find ourselves fortunate enough to live in Smiley

It's mind-boggling, isn't it?  I'm an engineer so I have some insight into how things are designed to do what they do, and that just makes it all the more amazing to me.

Alan

I studied Physics at school but was rubbish at science. I do find it fascinating how physics is a part of pretty much everything we see, have and experience in life. Although it remains very mysterious to me, I certainly admire it very much  Grin
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