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Author Topic: Rohr Meditations -- Week of 4/23/2012 -- The Jesus Mark Knew  (Read 5372 times)
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« on: April 22, 2012, 08:45:58 PM »

Sunday April 3, 2012

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THE JESUS MARK KNEW

    
The Gospel of Mark is the shortest gospel, and likely the oldest. In
many ways it is the simplest and clearest, and it cuts the hardest
because it is so utterly undecorated. Yet the more the commentators
study this gospel, the more they find that the way in which Mark put
events together in fact says an awful lot, especially about suffering
and the cross.

The theme of suffering recurs constantly within Mark, as if the entire
gospel is an extended introduction to the passion, death, and
resurrection of Jesus. Mark is telling us that this is how a life of
truth and faith culminates in this world. Youre going to get nailed
for it because it’s not what the world wants, and not what the world
understands. This life of authenticity leads to crucifixion. The author
constantly brings us back to the experience of suffering and death.
There’s no other way we’re going to break through to the ultimate
reality that we call resurrection without going through the mystery of
transformation that is the cross.


Prayer:
Teach me the way to live and die.
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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2012, 08:57:18 PM »

wow...Youre going to get nailed
for it because it’s not what the world wants, and not what the world
understands. This life of authenticity leads to crucifixion. The author
constantly brings us back to the experience of suffering and death.
There’s no other way we’re going to break through to the ultimate
reality that we call resurrection without going through the mystery of
transformation that is the cross.


It is why it is often called the loneliest road. But i'd rather have him for
my best friend, then 10 without him. You will never be excepted by your own.
So much to that, but it takes a lot to be settled that this is YOUR choice.

and be proud of it...

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« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2012, 08:49:11 AM »

April 23


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THE JESUS MARK KNEW

   
The Gospel of Mark (and all of the other gospels) leads up to Jesus
finally standing alone, without anyone really comprehending what He’s
talking about when He teaches on the “Reign of God.” Jesus realizes
that He has to do it in His flesh. He’s got to stop talking about it.
He’s got to let it happen. Maybe you’ve had the experience that
it’s not until someone dies that we ask the ultimate questions, and
that’s what we mean when we say Jesus had to die for us. It’s not
that He had to literally pay God some price (unfortunately, many
Christians understand it that way, as if the Father is standing up there
in heaven with a big bill, saying, “Until I get some blood, I’m not
going to change my mind about the human race.”). That puts us in a
terrible position in relation to God, and it can’t be true. As if God
could not forgive without payment. It pulled God into our way of loving
and forgiving which is always mercenary and tit for tat.

Quite simply, until someone dies, we don’t ask the big questions. We
don’t understand in a new way. We don’t break through. The only
price that Jesus was paying was to the human soul, so that we could
break through to what is real and lasting.

Prayer:
Teach me the way to live and die.
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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2012, 09:02:36 AM »

This was a hard passage to find meaning in it for me. Not that the words or acts by Jesus did not, but simply what he was trying to get across to me. better put, i was having trouble identifying with this passage, and therefore can not learn something until this happens. But i found it.

it’s not until someone dies that we ask the ultimate questions

He needed to be from us before we missed him enough to ponder the ultimate questions.
Jesus loved us enough to let it happen, so that we could find our way...beautiful.

As for relating, most people know we love others, but when they are gone from us there is a terrible void and we question ourselves and why this happened, or better yet, what was this life put in front of me for, so i could learn from it. And how do i learn and move forward.

God understood we needed this...not the payment others think it is.

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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2012, 09:28:52 AM »

April 24, 2012


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THE JESUS MARK KNEW

   
Mark’s is a gospel of action. Of the Four Gospels, his includes the
least teaching. Jesus is constantly on the move from place to place
preaching and healing, preaching and healing. Jesus symbolizes the
breaking in of the Big Picture into this world, and He does it much more
than He talks about it. We have to look at Jesus’ actions, and how His
action rearranges relationships—with self-image, with others, with
God.

Jesus doesn’t do all these good deeds for a reward, to achieve “a
higher place in Heaven.” In general, you can see all rewards and
punishments are inherent, now, today—but today becomes forever. All
healings are not primarily about medical cures, which just prompt us to
say “Wow! Jesus must really be God!” I am not denying that Jesus
could and undoubtedly did physical healing. It still happens, and I have
seen it, but the healings and exorcisms in Mark’s Gospel are primarily
to make statements about power, abuse, relationships, class, addiction,
money, the state of women and the poor, and the connections between soul
and body—the exact same issues that we face today.

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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2012, 12:25:16 PM »

This was a hard passage to find meaning in it for me. Not that the words or acts by Jesus did not, but simply what he was trying to get across to me. better put, i was having trouble identifying with this passage, and therefore can not learn something until this happens. But i found it.

it’s not until someone dies that we ask the ultimate questions

He needed to be from us before we missed him enough to ponder the ultimate questions.
Jesus loved us enough to let it happen, so that we could find our way...beautiful.

As for relating, most people know we love others, but when they are gone from us there is a terrible void and we question ourselves and why this happened, or better yet, what was this life put in front of me for, so i could learn from it. And how do i learn and move forward.

God understood we needed this...not the payment others think it is.

Lana

Absolutely Lana. And you know this in possibly the hardest way a person can.

I found out about an hour ago that the oldest of my cousins died yesterday. She was only 58 and apparently had a heart attack.  Cry 

I think though that often we lose people in other ways that are just as difficult to deal with. Marriages that don't work out. Friends that betray us. People that got puts into our lives for short periods even though we'd prefer they were to be longer. People into whose lives we are put, only to find that we just had some small part to play that we may never understand. I think of the TV show Joan of Arcadia and her constant attempts to second guess what God was up to and then to try to do her part better, only to find that what He really wanted was something completely different. I can't count the times I've sat down trying to figure out what God wanted and tried to go out on my own to get it done, only to find myself standing there feeling foolish.

That "learning" part can be a real challenge!
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« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2012, 07:15:52 AM »

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THE JESUS MARK KNEW

Wednesday, April 25, 2012
Feast of St. Mark

   
Mark begins with the preaching of John the Baptist, a voice announcing
Jesus from the wilderness and proclaiming a baptism of repentance. The
truth comes from the edges of society. Jesus’ reality is affirmed and
announced on the margins, where people are ready to understand and to
ask new questions. The establishment at the center is seldom ready for
the truth because it's got too much to protect; it has bought into the
system. As Walter Brueggeman says, “the home of hope is hurt.”

Remember that John the Baptist’s message of repentance was an
invitation to a turned-around life, letting go—downward mobility, as
some call it today. John wore a garment of camel hair, and he lived on
locusts and wild honey—he identified with the poor and marginalized,
as we see Jesus doing. John is so free from his own agenda, religious
and cultural system, and ego. He's able to point beyond himself. He's
not trying to gather people to himself—which is why he becomes the
proto-evangelist—pointing beyond himself and his own ministry.

One can only conclude that Mark began in this way, not just because it
was historically true, but because it mirrored his own journey. Some
scholars today, especially with new information from the Gnostic
Gospels, think that the anonymous man who “runs away naked” in the
Garden of Gethsemane (Mark 14:50-52 [1]) is very likely Mark himself. He
is quietly admitting that he also “deserted him” (verse 50) and ran
from suffering and humiliation. His “nakedness” is not just his but
ours too.

[1]: http://biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+14:50-52&version=NIV;MSG;DRA;KJV


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« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2012, 09:37:26 AM »

I did not get the purpose of this meditation, except in the end, the terms of a good evangelist (being without a personal agenda)

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« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2012, 09:41:57 AM »

I did not get the purpose of this meditation, except in the end, the terms of a good evangelist (being without a personal agenda)

Lana

I saw that as an important part of it, because just think of the well known evangelists (not necessarily the "good" ones but the well-known ones) who seem to have no problem being the focus of everything, rather than to be humble and be pointing toward somebody else?

I also got yet another Richard message that God works better with the lowly people than with the high-and-mighty.

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« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2012, 09:43:17 AM »

He seeks the child, without the agenda, and honesty!

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April 26, 2012

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THE JESUS MARK KNEW

   
Three times in the Gospel of Mark Jesus prophesies of His Passion. The
first time Jesus tells the disciples that “The Human One”—as He
calls Himself—will suffer grievously and be rejected and put to death,
and after three days be raised up (Mark 8:30 [1]). Peter argues with Him,
and Jesus rebukes him—this is the only time that Jesus calls someone a
devil (Mark 8:33 [2])–saying that man’s way is not God’s way. Jesus is
insistent that the way to God is the way of the cross. It's not the
prosperity Gospel of “The American Dream” with a little icing of
Christ over the top.

[1]: http://biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+8:30&version=NIV;MSG;DRA;KJV
[2]: http://biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+8:33&version=NIV;MSG;DRA;KJV

In faith, there is no possibility of an uninterrupted success story. The
only way you’re going to face your wild beasts and your shadows is by
failure and rejection, by people not loving you, by having to learn how
to love your wife and your children and those who hurt you—the
enemies—those who make you aware of your own incapacity to love.

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« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2012, 05:16:47 PM »

In faith, there is no possibility of an uninterrupted success story. The
only way you’re going to face your wild beasts and your shadows is by
failure and rejection, by people not loving you, by having to learn how
to love your wife and your children and those who hurt you—the
enemies—those who make you aware of your own incapacity to love.


This is a pretty hard core view of love, and I think accurate.

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April 27, 2012


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THE JESUS MARK KNEW

   
In case the disciples miss the point, Jesus talks about necessary
suffering again (Mark 9:30 [1]). He tells them that “The Human One” must
be delivered into the hands of the people. They will put Him to death
and three days later He will be raised up. But the disciples do not
understand what He says, and this time they are afraid to ask Him. Maybe
they don’t want to get bawled out a second time. And yet, they now
mutter amongst themselves about who is the greatest.

[1]: http://biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+9:30&version=NIV;MSG;DRA;KJV

So Jesus sits down. He calls the crowd to him. You can just feel his
exasperation. He says, “Now listen, if anyone wants to be first,
he’s got to make himself last of all and servant of all” (Mark
9:34 [2]). Jesus redefines authority in this new community. He takes a
little child in His arms and says, “Anyone who welcomes one of these
little children in My name welcomes Me” (9:37 [3]). He's turning the
social order upside down. But they still miss it! So Jesus speaks of
necessary suffering a third time (10:32 [4]). It is hard to believe but the
disciples respond by asking “to be seated at Jesus’ right and left
hand when He comes in glory” (10:35 [5]).

[2]: http://biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+9:34&version=NIV;MSG;DRA;KJV
[3]: http://biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+9:37&version=NIV;MSG;DRA;KJV
[4]: http://biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+10:32&version=NIV;MSG;DRA;KJV
[5]: http://biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+10:35&version=NIV;MSG;DRA;KJV

It might be laughable, if it were not so tragic, and if it had not
become a prediction of so much of church leadership down to our own
time. In Mark’s Gospel, and you can check it out for yourself, the
disciples basically miss the point till the very end. Mary Magdalene is
the only named believer.


Prayer:
Teach me the way to live and die.
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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2012, 08:52:41 AM »

April 28


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THE JESUS MARK KNEW

   
Jesus practically begs for a profession of faith from his disciples,
even after they’ve witnessed His miracles and heard His profound
teaching. Jesus put this question to them: “Who do you say that I
am?” Don’t give me your theologies. Who is the Jesus you know?
That’s the only Jesus that can really touch you and liberate you.
Finally, Peter responds: “You are the Christ!” (Mark 8:29 [1]). “And
Jesus gave him strict orders not to tell anyone” (8:30 [2]). Why? Because
each one of us has to walk the same journey of death and doubt for
ourselves—and come out the other side “enlarged by love.” No one
can do this homework for you.

[1]: http://biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+8:29&version=NIV;MSG;DRA;KJV
[2]: http://biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+8:30&version=NIV;MSG;DRA;KJV

The murdered body of Jesus is forever an image of what the world does to
love—it fears it and kills it, far too often. And yet God will have
the last word: This Jesus that you've killed and hated, I raise Him up
and hold Him now before all the nations. Until the end of time, He is
the sign of how love will win, for love is always stronger than death.

Jesus’ love of the unbelieving disciples in Mark’s Gospel even
through the final verses is an eternal promise of His love of all
unbelieving disciples, like you and me.

Prayer:
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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2012, 04:10:20 PM »

“Who do you say that I am?” Don’t give me your theologies. Who is the Jesus you know?
That’s the only Jesus that can really touch you and liberate you.


Amen!!
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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2012, 04:11:05 PM »

In faith, there is no possibility of an uninterrupted success story. The
only way you’re going to face your wild beasts and your shadows is by
failure and rejection, by people not loving you, by having to learn how
to love your wife and your children and those who hurt you—the
enemies—those who make you aware of your own incapacity to love.


This is a pretty hard core view of love, and I think accurate.

Alan

I would have to agree Alan.
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