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« on: November 06, 2010, 03:39:04 AM »

Richard's Daily Meditations


We have put our emphasis on trying to love God, which is probably a good
way to start—although we do not have a clue how to do that. What I
consistently find in the mystics is an overwhelming experience of how
God has loved them. God is the initiator, God is the doer, God is the
one who seduces us. All we can do is respond in kind, and exactly as
Meister Eckhart said, “The love by which we love God is the very same
love with which God has first loved us.”

The mystics' overwhelming experience is this full body blow of the
Divine loving them, the Divine radically accepting them. And the rest of
their life is trying to verbalize that, and invariably finding ways to
give that love back through forms of service, compassion and non-stop
worship. But none of this is to earn God's love; it's always and only to
return God's love. Love is repaid by love alone.


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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2010, 05:13:17 AM »

Nov 7
ADULT CHRISTIANITY

   
In the first half of life you have to build your container which
includes structure, family and law. These are the only things that
control hormones and egos. If there is no limitation on the ego it
self-destructs. We need sacred space, sacred time, and boundaries. If
you don’t get structure when you are young, then later you become
obsessed with law and rules.

When I was a chaplain at the Albuquerque jail there was a lot of talk
about religion. Most people there had wasted the first half of life on
alcohol, promiscuous sex and drugs. Their life had been chaos. They had
an immense need for emotional purity and ego structure. Usually their
religion was considered the only true religion, and they would
invariably become very morally rigid about one or two select issues.

In the second half of life, you move toward the contents themselves, and
your religion becomes a much broader sense of both morality and
belonging. You have created your ego container and you just want to get
to the real thing, the “new wine” as Jesus says, and not just the
wineskins.





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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2010, 11:47:05 PM »

Author, or the writer of the code and or laws....GOD, the father.

Teacher, or instructor to help implement said rules...JESUS, the son.

Applicator, thoughts, feelings or Wisdom...THE HOLY SPIRIT.

Ever notice when we express contentment in words we often say, "Mind, Body, and soul!"
We do not really consider being fully content unless all three are listed/felt at one time.

To be content, i believe we need to find the wine, not just the wineskin when
we find the father, the son and the holy spirit essentially as one package.

eventually that is!

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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2010, 02:52:43 AM »

Nov 8

Richard's Daily Meditations


ADULT CHRISTIANITY

   
You must live and to some degree succeed in the tasks of the first half
of life. You cannot fast-forward to the second half of life, spiritually
speaking. Ego development is your first task, and then this “grain of
wheat must die, or it remains just a grain of wheat” (John 12:24 [1]). You
start by telling your children they are the center of the world and they
are the best. God did this for the Jewish people in the Hebrew
Scriptures, and this is what Jesus built on and passed on to us. It is
not objectively true that we are “the best,” but it is psychologically
and spiritually necessary to experience your “election” somehow. You
need to have an ego to die to it and move beyond it. It is quite a
paradox.

The final purpose of any idea of being special or chosen is to have the
courage and the experience to communicate that “chosenness” to everyone
else. It’s not just to advertise how saved and superior you are—which
tends to be the common mistake.

Religion in a mature second half of life is not a moral matter or a
superiority contest. It is a mystical matter where all questions of
specialness have been answered at the deepest and most radical level—by
God. So it is no longer my concern.


 
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2010, 02:58:53 AM »

Religion in a mature second half of life is not a moral matter or a
superiority contest. It is a mystical matter where all questions of
specialness have been answered at the deepest and most radical level—by
God. So it is no longer my concern.


Wow.  I really like the freedom and peace that goes along with this attitude! Cool

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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2010, 02:37:32 AM »

Nov 9

Richard's Daily Meditations


ADULT CHRISTIANITY

   
Paul says in Galatians 3 [1] that the law will kill you, that the law leads
to death, and only an experience of the Spirit has any saving power.
Jesus says much the same with his mantra, “The law says, but I say. . .”
(Matthew 5:20-45 [2]). This has had little effect on the church recently.

Many Christians and many clergy are still trapped under the law and
remain in the first half of life, spiritually speaking. This is not the
gospel, but its most common counterfeit. You always fail if you’re under
the criteria of the law because you can never attain something that you
already have—namely your daughterhood and sonship in God. The law will
send you on a wild goose chase that never ends and usually makes you
more and more legalistic. Religion at this level becomes an eternal
carrot on a stick held out in front of you. Unfortunately, we see this
in many rigid and unhappy Christians. Their disappointment with God and
themselves is visible to all but themselves, I am afraid. We can do so
much better.

[1] http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians%203&version=NIV
[2] http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%205:20-45&version=NIV

 
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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2010, 09:33:58 AM »

That's one blessing that my experiences of God has given me. I am able to pretty much ignore the Law by simply concentrating on gratitude for the love and mercy shown to me by God. Instead of acting out of fear of displeasing God, I can act out of love for having been loved and forgiven. On those cases where I become aware that I have had a "bad hair day" and willingly offended God, I can turn to Him knowing that He understands my weaknes and is ready to make me whole again.
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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2010, 06:24:31 AM »

Nov 10
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ADULT CHRISTIANITY

   
For most of the people I meet, the only way to get over the hump to the
second half of life is some kind of suffering. Nothing else is strong
enough to force us to let go of our ego structures and our old
wineskins. We’re not ready at age twenty, although there are exceptions
(like kids with cancer).

Some of our private salvation project has to fall apart and disappoint
us. At that point the temptation is to go back and do the tasks of the
first half of life with even greater diligence.

Organized Christianity in its Sunday form tends to encourage people to
do the tasks of the first half of life over and over again (firming up
the container instead of getting to the contents). The clergy do not
question this because the container is what gives us a job. But it is
also why many people become disillusioned by midlife, and also why we
have the constant phenomenon of groups emerging on the side, like
religious orders, hermits, and prayer and service groups where people
actually try to live the message.


 
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« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2010, 06:30:15 AM »

Fr. Richard has outdone himself the last two days, IMO.  Smiley


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« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2010, 10:57:05 AM »

I've heard most of these messages, in different variations, many times over the 10 years I've been following Richard. I can honestly say though that no matter how many times I hear them I constantly find new wrinkles in them or hear something that hadn't occurred to me before. I would liken it to Lectio where reading the same scripture passage at different times brings some totally different message to me because of what is going on in my life at that time.
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« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2010, 09:19:00 PM »

I would liken it to Lectio

Can you explain this terminology for me so i can better understand the intent of the comment.
The one word stuck out, and i wondered how you intended it used (Lectio)

Checking in, does this mean praying about a scripture, and waiting untill you believe you have been given a message.
Or is it further where you put yourself into the passage, and try further?

All of it is so powerful to me, and i think it is extremely useful.
Now for the self discipline to use it more often.

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« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2010, 11:28:21 PM »

I would liken it to Lectio

Can you explain this terminology for me so i can better understand the intent of the comment.
The one word stuck out, and i wondered how you intended it used (Lectio)

Checking in, does this mean praying about a scripture, and waiting untill you believe you have been given a message.
Or is it further where you put yourself into the passage, and try further?

All of it is so powerful to me, and i think it is extremely useful.
Now for the self discipline to use it more often.

Lana

Lana,

It's where you read the same passage something like 4 times.  Each time you get progressively more intimate with the word.  The first time through you think of a word of phrase that strikes you.  In the final stage you just remain silent after the reading.  Lectio Divina, or Divine Reading.

Afterwards sometimes people share what they thought of during Lectio.  But it should not be a quiz; it should be a sharing of individual ways the scripture strikes them personally, at this point in time.l

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« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2010, 04:36:30 AM »

That was what i thought Alan. And thanks for telling me so.
However, the wording, "i would liken it to Lectio"
was what originally tripped me up. Is the use of the word
liken actually a word, or a typo.

Is it using the word like in a way i have never heard of...or
i picture a tree with liken at it's base. I am quizical on this.

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« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2010, 09:07:49 AM »

That was what i thought Alan. And thanks for telling me so.
However, the wording, "i would liken it to Lectio"
was what originally tripped me up. Is the use of the word
liken actually a word, or a typo.

Is it using the word like in a way i have never heard of...or
i picture a tree with liken at it's base. I am quizical on this.

Lana

Oh, OK.  Yes, Liken (LIKE-in) can be a verb, meaning compare it to:

"I would liken it to lectio" means approximately "I would compare it to lectio"

Is that what you meant?

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« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2010, 11:19:59 AM »

Thank you for taking on those explanations, Alan. They are dead on. Another way to define "liken" might be "think of it like" or "consider it to be like".
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« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2010, 03:26:15 PM »

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Richard's Daily Meditations


ADULT CHRISTIANITY

   
Up to the point where you fall in love with God, you haven’t yet met
God. Religion is almost entirely cultural conformity and fear based. But
“perfect love casts out all fear (1 John 4:18 [1]). If your motivation is
still fear or shame based, then you are still building your container,
which is necessary, but it does not demand any real love of God or
neighbor yet.

Most of us begin with creating the skeleton, but it takes years and
usually some suffering to find the meat, the muscle, and the real
message of the Gospel. It is probably easiest to begin conservative,
since liberals do not tend to respect the basic skeleton of faith or any
limits to their seeming freedom.

In the second half of life you might look a little more like a liberal,
but the real difference is that you have been overtaken by love and let
go of fear. That is the meat, the muscle, and the message.

[1]: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20John%204:18&version=NIV


Adapted from Adult Christianity and How to Get There CD
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please consider attending Loving the Two Halves of Life:
The Further Journey, a conference hosted by the
Center for Action and Contemplation, January 21-23, 2011.
http://www.cacradicalgrace.org/conferences/2011/two-halves/


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« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2010, 02:08:14 AM »

Nov 12
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ADULT CHRISTIANITY

   
So how can we get to the second half of our own lives? We all know
uptight men and women at 60 who still cannot let go and trust God or
themselves. The secular person has no one to surrender to, so we can
understand them being control freaks.

Christians supposedly do know a loving and trustworthy God, but they
still do not entrust themselves to this God or others who are not just
like them. Rigid and controlling people are almost always fear-based
people. Only love thaws such coldness.

We each must fall into the hands of a living and loving God, sooner or
later. It comes down to interior journeys of prayer, and leaps of faith
where we learn to actively test and trust whether God is really with us,
and whether God really cares. Only then can we deeply know that God is
truly faithful and forgiving love—for us.



Adapted from Adult Christianity and How to Get There CD
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If you are inspired by Richard's Daily Meditations,
please consider attending Loving the Two Halves of Life:
The Further Journey, a conference hosted by the
Center for Action and Contemplation, January 21-23, 2011.
http://www.cacradicalgrace.org/conferences/2011/two-halves/


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« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2010, 09:10:50 AM »

In the second half of life you might look a little more like a liberal,
but the real difference is that you have been overtaken by love and let
go of fear. That is the meat, the muscle, and the message.


Though I lean slightly conservative in my politics, I am quite sure I appear to be a "liberal" when it comes to religion, precisely for the reasons Richard notes here. When it comes to God, I don't operate from a position of fear. While I understand the seriousness of sin I seldom think about, much less worry about sin.

I consider my own relationship with my wife. Naturally she does things from time to time that offend or irritate me. But that doesn't stop me from loving her for one second since I know that she loves me and is committed to me and it is just human failings and the pressures of the moment that bring on the minor lapses. I would not want her to spend a second worrying about whether she is loved or whether I am holding something against her, and I most assuredly would not want her to be patterning her life around worrying how to keep from offending me.

If I am capable of that much in my very limited capacity, I can only imagine how much more so the all-knowing and all-loving God desires me to live in the freedom of knowing that if I can keep my focus on love and gratitude that my transgressions will be put from Him as far as "the east is from the west".

I haven't really learned yet how to love God; that may just be too abstract for me. But I have learned how to be grateful and how to not fear God, even while being in awe.
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« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2010, 06:38:04 PM »

I consider my own relationship with my wife. Naturally she does things from time to time that offend or irritate me. But that doesn't stop me from loving her for one second since I know that she loves me and is committed to me and it is just human failings and the pressures of the moment that bring on the minor lapses. I would not want her to spend a second worrying about whether she is loved or whether I am holding something against her, and I most assuredly would not want her to be patterning her life around worrying how to keep from offending me.

This made me cry...so few get it this well, that life is in the giving, and not receiving!
How beautiful to have a partnership in this. But i understand, you have to love yourself
enough to fight for this, not wait for it to happen, because you are nice.

And in this comes the letting go...of not needing to be loved. Or begging.

the real difference is that you have been overtaken by love and let
go of fear.


I see this with God, Jesus, the HS, and loving someone whole heartedly in life.

Lana

PS...John, bring DW to the computer to read what you wrote...it is beautiful!
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« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2010, 10:29:40 AM »

Lana, I think we are almost all conditioned as children to believe that our worthiness comes from meeting the expectations of others. It leads to a tremendous ego problem that we spend our life looking for affirmation rather than understanding that our worthiness has nothing to do with the acceptance of others. It's one of those things that I have only become aware of over the last few years, and even then there are an awful lot of times when my ego needs to be "stroked" because of my past conditioning.
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« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2010, 04:32:13 AM »

True...but you have a great deal of trouble accepting a compliment, just like me!
So again, the beauty in what you said lay within the words you used. You were not
asked what you thought of her, it was used exuberantly as a an example of what
you would not want...and it was...awe inspiring to hear it so honestly!

Again, did you bring her to the computer to read it for herself?

you avoided that one...like i would have...lol

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« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2010, 11:15:28 AM »

Ok, ok, I've sent it to her to see.  Wink

 
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« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2010, 09:03:37 PM »

You da man... Wink
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